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greeting citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with Shane

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herd thanks for hanging out with us if

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you follow UFO related news or if you

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follow any of us on social media you

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most likely heard that UFO legend Stan

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Friedman recently passed away we'll be

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talking about that today and the legacy

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created by Stanton Friedman but first

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let's talk about some other UFO stories

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making headlines on May 22nd the New

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York Post published a story titled the

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Pentagon finally admits it investigates

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UFOs of course this is in relation to

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the Pentagon's reportedly now-defunct

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program known as the advanced aerospace

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threat identification program or a tip

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that was alluded to by the program's

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former head back in October of 2017 and

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named by the New York Times in December

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of that same year in this new article by

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the New York Post a pentagon

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spokesperson confirms that a tip did

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look into UFOs which has been a

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contested element of the program to this

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point the pentagon spokesperson also

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confirmed that a tip was shut down in

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2012 as previously reported but it still

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investigates reported sightings now

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Shane this is an interesting story

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because we get information from a

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pentagon spokesperson

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however in relation to this very same

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news this very same program a tip we've

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heard from more than one Pentagon

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spokespersons

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in the past and we received different

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information so what do you make of them

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well I certainly kind of get the

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impression that there may be some left

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hand right hand you know it doesn't know

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what the other ones doing kind of a

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thing well you and I have both worked in

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governments yes you know certainly at

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the local level it's it's different but

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the same right yes I live in silos

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that's exactly right

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so yeah that's probably you know part of

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it or you know it could be something

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else but I mean just you know face value

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you know I'm sure these these government

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agencies are scrambling to catch up with

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all this and you know make sure to you

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know carefully put their foot forward in

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a way that you know keeps them out of

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trouble

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yet you know they're responsive to all

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this new information coming out yeah I

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agree with you but I do think it's an

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important thing too to bring up and to

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keep reminding researchers who are

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following this story it's certainly

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something that that I feel that we all

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need to keep in mind you know you need

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to keep track of these things and not

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necessarily promoting conspiracies or

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anything but we do need to understand

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that there have been multiple

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spokespeople from the Pentagon who have

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not only denied this program ever

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existed but also denied that it had

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anything to do with UFOs now we're

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hearing that it does have to do with or

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did at least look into UFOs these are

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things that we need to keep in mind

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following this whole story which will

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continue to progress and certainly I

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think in an accelerated pace now that

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you know we've got all these people

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looking into it but it is important and

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to not just latch on to the narrative

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that fits your your desires or that the

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news if you want to exist right so we

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don't just blindly accept the the

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spokesperson who says UFOs and dismiss

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the previous spokespeople who said not

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UFOs so it's important to keep that in

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mind during this this research process

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and tracking all the information that's

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coming out with this program yeah and

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probably the pressure from the UFO

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community and media you know may have

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you know finally making this admission

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who knows you know so I mean healthy

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skepticism is certainly important and

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appropriate in this case and yeah take

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everything with a grain of salt good or

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bad whether you agree with it disagree

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with it because the truth is probably

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somewhere in the middle absolutely and

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again something I want to point out to

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that you know as a journalist the way

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these things come about

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is it necessarily based on public

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pressure or anything

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it most of the time comes down to

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journalists who are sending requests and

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putting pressure on the Pentagon to you

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to issue a statement about something and

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that's what we've seen you know

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certainly in the past several months

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with these these articles coming out

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from from mainstream media it's just

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individual journalists reaching out to

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the Pentagon to get an official response

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and that's what we've seen so yeah good

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so another bit of UF news I want to

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briefly mention today is the

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announcement that a new UFO show is

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coming to the Travel Channel titled

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alien highway now when I first read that

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title one person came to my mind and

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that was paranormal investigator Chuck

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Zukowski and sure enough this new series

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stars Chuck and his son Daniel and

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veteran paranormal researcher Heather

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teddy from the ane series paranormal

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State so Shane did you read the release

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on this show yeah I saw that and that's

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pretty fascinating that again we're

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getting just more UFO content right we

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love it yeah no I'm loving it Syria this

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is gonna be on Travel Channel and

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they've said that the first first

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episode is going to deal with one of our

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favorite subjects and that skinwalker

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yeah yep so anything you'd mentioned

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Chuck's theory that perhaps the

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skinwalker could be tied to

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extraterrestrials so that'll be fun to

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watch the series premieres on June 12th

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again on the Travel Channel we're

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looking forward to that one awesome we

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want to spend a little time now

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remembering a UFO research pioneer

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Stanton Friedman Friedman was a nuclear

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physicist who left his career behind in

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1970 to focus full-time on UFO research

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what caused this scientist to deviate

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from his area of specific focus his

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obituary in the New York Times explains

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that Stan's interest in UFOs began when

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he read captain Edie rappels book the

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report on unidentified flying objects

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rappelled was the officer who headed the

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Air Force's UFO program project Bluebook

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Friedman's obituary goes on to state

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that he became a true believer after

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reading the statistic from Project Blue

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Book that of all the sightings

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categorized as unknowns which by

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absolutely no coincidence is the name of

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stana was one of the early civilian

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investigators of the 1947 Roswell UFO

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incident and it's his research published

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in the 1992 book he co-authored with Don

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reintroducing the public to the largely

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forgotten Roswell incident and making

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Roswell a household name Stan was a

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fixture at UFO related events across the

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country and around the world he was an

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author of several UFO books he lectured

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constantly and he loved exploring the

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great mystery of UFOs it's a quest to

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which he devoted his life and although

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this may seem shocking to some like many

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if not most UFO researchers Stan never

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saw a UFO and that's kind of sad Shane I

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feel so bad for him I wish he would have

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been able to have that moment where he

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finally got to see a UFO or the term

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Stan preferred flying saucer Stan was a

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proponent of the term flying saucer yeah

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absolutely and who knows now maybe he

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now knows the truth of it so maybe he

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didn't get to see him when he was alive

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but maybe he knows something now you

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know absolutely man that's my hope to

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you that's what we always hope so Shane

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I mean Stan was was around a lot and

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certainly it's a UFO events even if he

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wasn't speaking he had a presence there

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you know he'd always see the legendary

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always warm and inviting welcoming

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people attendees to the at these events

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to come up and chat with him he was very

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approachable and and he loved that and

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despite his retiring more than a year

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ago he was still at you know pretty much

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every event and I think he loved it but

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do you have a favorite memory of Stanton

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Friedman oh yeah definitely I mean you

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know so many people over the last few

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days of happening literally say some

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great things and share some great

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memories of Stan and you know I suppose

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mine are very similar to everyone else's

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and when I first started getting serious

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about UFOs in about 2010 you know the

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first thing I looked for was credibility

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you know and and there are a couple

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people that stood out of course Richard

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Dolan and Leslie Kane at the time and

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anchors of credibility you know kept me

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going forward and this and my my study

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and research and and I mean I do really

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credit him with some of the just the

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powerful logic and the way he

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communicated it for example you know I I

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almost say is sort of like a shtick with

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him he but he was just he was absolutely

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brilliant of how you would communicate

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things so like you know the you know

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when you talk about debunkers and stuff

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and and you know he he would say the

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same four points you know you know he'd

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say they would say like you know don't

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bother me with the facts my mind is made

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up and then you know what the public

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doesn't know I won't tell them and then

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argue your position by Proclamation and

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then finally if you can't attack the

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data attack the person right I mean

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those are just brilliant and nearly

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irrefutable points that he would make it

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would drive home and he would say it

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every time but you know that's what was

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so brilliant about it it was simple and

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straight forward yet he's a nuclear

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physicist right he could talk probably

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above any of us but no he would make his

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points just clear and concise and then

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you know it being that semi

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nuclear physicists I mean it's just

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really hard to express but you know

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that's those are some of the things that

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really made a big impression on me you

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know in the early time but before I had

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even met him and then meeting him was

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just you know an absolute pressure the

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guy was a sweetheart of a person which

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just really you know just made it great

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he just became a great icon of me and in

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my mind yeah and you know something

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state in his presentations is something

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that's extremely relevant today right he

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would constantly encourage us to to

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avoid the noise e- s

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I always love to hear him talk about the

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noisy negative asst

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you know we certainly with social media

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today that that's something we all live

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with and something that that infiltrates

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the world of UFO research and we all

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deal with on a daily basis so the noisy

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negative asst always reminds me of Stan

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Friedman

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oh yeah me too that's just classic Stan

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or the other one I love this line but

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it's just so brilliant again he said he

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would say you know ninety percent of you

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know UFOs are our you know identifiable

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it's but I don't care about those I just

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care about the real ones I mean I Ken's

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just so brilliant yeah okay you want to

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whine and complain and focus on the 90

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whatever percent okay go ahead but you

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know the real stuff that's what I'm

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really interested in I don't care about

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the noise you know let's let's get to

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the good stuff and and again just a

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brilliant point expressed in a brilliant

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way and you know it's just that kind of

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logic that really kept me moving forward

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yeah he was really good at that I've so

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many memories of Stan and you know he

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became a good friend over the years and

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it was just a you know always such a a

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warm good comforting feeling like you

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experienced a lot you know when you go

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to these UFO related events it becomes

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yeah again sort of like a reunion you

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start seeing the same people and and you

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know you you make friends with these

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people over the years you develop these

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relationships so anytime you go to one

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of these events you see some of these

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people it's it's a

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really really fun time that way and it

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was always great to go to an event and

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see Stan and he was usually with with

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his good friend and co-author Kathleen

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Martens he'd seen them as year together

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and it was just you know just something

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you could always always count on seeing

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and it was always comforting seeing that

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one of my earliest memories of Stan was

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probably at the I think it was at the

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the International UFO Congress when it

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was still in Laughlin and it was

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probably the year that we had open minds

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had acquired the conference and so I'm

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there for one last year in Laughlin and

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we were doing I think we were doing

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these daily recaps or live streaming or

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doing some sort of production where we

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were going around and sort of recapping

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the day's events and talking to people

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there and stuff Stan was certainly one

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of the first interviews that Maureen and

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I ever did you know in our UFO career

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you know how can you go wrong with that

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starting yeah man you can only go down

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from there so you know that certainly

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was a was a great kickstart to you to

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our career but but my my probably

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favorite memory just because it's one of

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the most recent and just kind of bizarre

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random things I came across these cigars

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several years ago that are created by a

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cigar company called Elysian a and they

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are very the the individual behind the

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company is very much into UFOs and

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conspiracy theories and all sorts of

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strange stuff and so the the lines of

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cigars he puts out are in that vein and

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one of the lines of cigars that he has

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are called mj-12 oh and if you get a box

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of these cigars they're covered in

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Illuminati symbols and they you know

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they say mj-12 on them that's very cool

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and so I I had to get a box of these and

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I had to show them to stand Freedman

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because still rule certainly has

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and very much about mj-12 and so one

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year at probably the International UFO

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Congress

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I pulled the this box of mj-12 cigars

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out of my bag and went up to Stan and

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showed him these cigars and the look on

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his face was just priceless he was like

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it just this happy little boy and he saw

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where did you get these it was it was

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exactly everything I was hoping it would

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be and more just to see his reaction

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it's great I took some photos of Stan

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holding this this box of mj-12 cigars

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and oh man

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you know I certainly invited him to join

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us to smoke some NJ 12 cigars later that

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night but this is shortly after his

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heart attack and he saw yeah my doctor

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wouldn't be too happy if I did so but it

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was great to be able to show Stan some

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mj-12 cigars oh man that'd be a picture

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to have and blow that thing up and frame

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it I mean that that's just I mean that's

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as one of a kind as unique as you get

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yeah yeah no I that was was certainly

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priceless and uh yeah so so many

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memories of Stan it's so many different

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events over the years certainly you know

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it's gonna be weird at the Roswell UFO

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festival without Stan right I mean he's

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always the would always be in the lead

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car at the parade they have at the

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Roswell UFO Festival and yeah so assic

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yeah yeah no I mean Stan is to me and

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certainly it should beat everybody else

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is like synonymous with Roswell right I

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mean Stan as well as well go

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hand-in-hand yes so I mean it was an

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honor knowing Stan and I mean his legacy

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is going to live forever yeah I am so

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grateful to have had that that you know

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period of time in my life or he was you

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know around and it met him and and you

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know it's kind of part of it too I mean

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I used to think to myself you know it's

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going to be a sad day when he's gone

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because you know obviously it was up in

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age and stuff and and you know ufology

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has changed a bit but you know some of

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these old guard which I would consider

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him deaf

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you know going ways it's just it's

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almost kind of a little scary or little

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you know destabilizing in my mind you

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know what's gonna happen now and a few

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turn stuff but but you know I will be

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okay and you know everything he has done

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is well recorded and you know available

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for everyone it just be a matter if you

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know keeping keeping them live in our

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minds and his work alive in our minds

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and it you know it's it's been critical

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to ufology and you know what he has done

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for it is you know you it's just

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priceless I'd be curious to see what if

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anything that the city of Roswell does

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oh yeah now to commemorate Stan I mean

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III and again this is private that says

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nothing to do with the city but you know

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I'd be amazing if the UFO museum were to

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rename themselves the Stan Friedman

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International UFO Museum and Research

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Center that would be kind of Awesome

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yeah I absolutely think something like

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that will happen I mean as as much as

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Roswell the city has embraced that whole

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thing and you know he's certainly the

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father of it I mean there there's no

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doubt i I'm certain there's going to be

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some form of commemoration of stand

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there and Roswell no it means au Main

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Street needs to be stand Freedman yeah

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yeah that would be yeah big things to

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stand for everything that you

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contributed to ufology you sort of

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established ufology and gave it

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credibility being this scientist

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studying UFOs kind of Awesome we love

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you Stan yeah courageous man well

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